The greatest split between the church and science since Galileo was with the publication of Charles Darwin's book called On the Origin of Species in 1859. Many Christians were shocked by the idea that man evolved from the ape. That they were not created in God's imagine as interpreted from the bible.
Again the bible is take very literally.
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Adam was flesh and blood and the bible tells us that God is spirit and exists without a body.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
In Latin the image of God is imago dei and that refers to the immaterial party of humanity. It
sets humans apart from animals. It helps humans to estables a bond with God. The likeness is mentally, morally and socially.
Genesis 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
Mentally, humanity was created as a rational, volitional agent. In other words, human beings can reason and choose. This is a reflection of God’s intellect and freedom. Anytime someone invents a machine, writes a book, paints a landscape, enjoys a symphony, calculates a sum, or names a pet, he or she is proclaiming the fact that we are made in God’s image.
Whenever someone writes a law, recoils from evil, praises good behavior, or feels guilty, he or she is confirming the fact that we are made in God’s own image.
Every time someone marries, makes a friend, hugs a child, or attends church, he or she is demonstrating the fact that we are made in the likeness of God.
Part of being made in God’s image is that we have the capacity to make free choices.
Adam’s body did mirror the life of God insofar as it was created in perfect health and was not subject to death, until Adam and Eve made an evil choice to rebel against their Creator. In so doing, they marred the image of God within themselves, and passed that damaged likeness on to all of their descendants.
Romans 5:12 Sin came into the world through one man, and his sin brought death with it. As a result, death has spread to the whole human race because everyone has sinned.
The argument still rages to this day, although the weight of evidence is overwhelmingly in favour and very few biologists now question the basic idea of evolution.
However, some Christians - those who believe that God created the world as described in Genesis – have called for Creationism or “Intelligent Design” to be taught alongside evolutionary biology in school science lessons.
The Church of England issued a posthumous apology to Darwin last year, saying that it showed too much “anti-evolutionary fervour” when his book was published.
Showing posts with label Scientists. Show all posts
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Saturday, 7 April 2018
Conflict between religion and science 2
Man's quest for knowledge is timeless.
where man came from. How the earth was created. How the animals and plants came into existence. There is so much that is not known. It would be so simple just to believe what the bible tells us. God created earth and everything on it and on the 7 day he rested.
The problem is not in the believe that God created the earth in 6 days but how people take the bible so literally. For example that each day was 24 hours.
The bible in fact does not mention the age of the earth.
How the bible was used to date the earth.
James Ussher a Bishop took the genealogies of Genesis and used it to arrive at a date for when the earth was first created. That was Sunday, October 23, 4004 B.C.
It was taken for granted that the genealogies was completed. Recording the entire course of human existence and that the days were exactly 24 hours.
If this was so then it would mean that the earth came into existence a full thousand years after the domestication of the guinea pig.
If we look at Genesis 1, there are two days of the 6 that stand out. This is what is said in Genesis for the third day.
Then God said, "Let the earth sprout, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit after their kind, with seed in them, on the earth"; and it was so. And the earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:11-12)
God did not plant fullgrown plants. God created seeds which he planted. This we can gather from the word sprout. Since fruit trees take several years to mature and produce fruit, the third "day" must have been at least several years long.
The sixth day was also a very busy "day." On the sixth day, God created the nephesh (soulish) animals, including the wild animals (carnivores), cattle (herbivores) and "creeping things" (rodents?) (Genesis 1:25).
Then God created Adam, the first man (Genesis 1:27, 2:7). He placed the man into a special garden that He had planted (Genesis 2:8). Again, God was playing farmer by planting the garden and letting it grow (Genesis 2:9). Adam was placed into the garden "to work it and take care of it" (Genesis 2:15). We don't know how long Adam worked the garden before God gave him another assignment.
However, it wouldn't have been much "work" if Adam was there for less than 24 hours. Next, God had Adam give names to "all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air" (Genesis 2:19). The process would have required Adam naming tens of thousands of species (minimum). Even naming one animal every ten seconds would have taken Adam several days, at minimum.
Then God put Adam to sleep and created Eve from part of Adam's side (Genesis 2:22-23). Adam's response to Eve's creation is also telling, since upon seeing Eve for the first time, Adam said "at last." This is not exactly the response one would have expected from a man who had waited for less than one day (or else Adam was the most impatient man in the history of humanity). So, we must conclude that the sixth day was much longer than 24 hours, and probably took at least several years, based on Adam's response.
Besides the biblical evidence that at least some of the Genesis "days" are long periods of time, Genesis 2:4 refers to all 6 days of creation as one day:
Scientists
Radio dating using lead ores suggests the Earth is around 4.54 billion years old, while the age of the Universe has been put at around 13.7 billion years. This has been established partly by looking through powerful telescopes at distant stars; the Hubble Space Telescope’s Deep Field Image shows galaxies over 13 billion light years away, in the first few hundred million years after the Big Bang.
Scientists never wanted to threaten religious believes. Scientists look for evidence to support their theories and religion believers look for things to support what they think are the true answers. As a result scientist have provoked hostility and panic from the religious believers.
When Edwin Hubble proved the existence of an expanding universe, the evidence was so convincing and the conclusion so irrefutable that it became the domain of common sense.
When Charles Darwin recognized evolution through natural selection, the unambiguous utility of its application to all facets of the natural world gave us a tantalizing avenue to pursue our origins.
With the Big Bang, evolution, and a wealth of other knowledge-based advances, science has inadvertently forced the reinterpretation of religion in places where its dogma is in conflict with overt truth
Religionists believe that God created earth in 6 days without sufficient evidence. All they actually got to work with is the bible.
Religious people find it difficult to believe in anything else that proves a contradiction in what they have been lead to believe. It's in the bible so it must be gospel.
where man came from. How the earth was created. How the animals and plants came into existence. There is so much that is not known. It would be so simple just to believe what the bible tells us. God created earth and everything on it and on the 7 day he rested.
The problem is not in the believe that God created the earth in 6 days but how people take the bible so literally. For example that each day was 24 hours.
The bible in fact does not mention the age of the earth.
How the bible was used to date the earth.
James Ussher a Bishop took the genealogies of Genesis and used it to arrive at a date for when the earth was first created. That was Sunday, October 23, 4004 B.C.
It was taken for granted that the genealogies was completed. Recording the entire course of human existence and that the days were exactly 24 hours.
If this was so then it would mean that the earth came into existence a full thousand years after the domestication of the guinea pig.
If we look at Genesis 1, there are two days of the 6 that stand out. This is what is said in Genesis for the third day.
Then God said, "Let the earth sprout, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit after their kind, with seed in them, on the earth"; and it was so. And the earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:11-12)
God did not plant fullgrown plants. God created seeds which he planted. This we can gather from the word sprout. Since fruit trees take several years to mature and produce fruit, the third "day" must have been at least several years long.
The sixth day was also a very busy "day." On the sixth day, God created the nephesh (soulish) animals, including the wild animals (carnivores), cattle (herbivores) and "creeping things" (rodents?) (Genesis 1:25).
Then God created Adam, the first man (Genesis 1:27, 2:7). He placed the man into a special garden that He had planted (Genesis 2:8). Again, God was playing farmer by planting the garden and letting it grow (Genesis 2:9). Adam was placed into the garden "to work it and take care of it" (Genesis 2:15). We don't know how long Adam worked the garden before God gave him another assignment.
However, it wouldn't have been much "work" if Adam was there for less than 24 hours. Next, God had Adam give names to "all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air" (Genesis 2:19). The process would have required Adam naming tens of thousands of species (minimum). Even naming one animal every ten seconds would have taken Adam several days, at minimum.
Then God put Adam to sleep and created Eve from part of Adam's side (Genesis 2:22-23). Adam's response to Eve's creation is also telling, since upon seeing Eve for the first time, Adam said "at last." This is not exactly the response one would have expected from a man who had waited for less than one day (or else Adam was the most impatient man in the history of humanity). So, we must conclude that the sixth day was much longer than 24 hours, and probably took at least several years, based on Adam's response.
Besides the biblical evidence that at least some of the Genesis "days" are long periods of time, Genesis 2:4 refers to all 6 days of creation as one day:
Scientists
Radio dating using lead ores suggests the Earth is around 4.54 billion years old, while the age of the Universe has been put at around 13.7 billion years. This has been established partly by looking through powerful telescopes at distant stars; the Hubble Space Telescope’s Deep Field Image shows galaxies over 13 billion light years away, in the first few hundred million years after the Big Bang.
Scientists never wanted to threaten religious believes. Scientists look for evidence to support their theories and religion believers look for things to support what they think are the true answers. As a result scientist have provoked hostility and panic from the religious believers.
When Edwin Hubble proved the existence of an expanding universe, the evidence was so convincing and the conclusion so irrefutable that it became the domain of common sense.
When Charles Darwin recognized evolution through natural selection, the unambiguous utility of its application to all facets of the natural world gave us a tantalizing avenue to pursue our origins.
With the Big Bang, evolution, and a wealth of other knowledge-based advances, science has inadvertently forced the reinterpretation of religion in places where its dogma is in conflict with overt truth
Religionists believe that God created earth in 6 days without sufficient evidence. All they actually got to work with is the bible.
Religious people find it difficult to believe in anything else that proves a contradiction in what they have been lead to believe. It's in the bible so it must be gospel.
God, religious believers and scientists - the conflict
I have read that science and religion cannot coexist and I don't understand this. Why the hell not. God is all powerful and he created all, therefore he created the scientists also. God gave us the intelligence to think and question. Why is scientists and religious believers in conflict over so many things? Evolution for instance. Is God who was supposed to created everything not strong enough to create evolution?
Are the conflicts due to the fact that man gets so comfortable with how they were taught to think, so when new discoveries are found by scientist it shakes the foundation of everything that they were taught. Is this not a condratiction in the believe that with God all things are possible?
Mathew 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
I went to a Catholic school for most of my schooling and religion is based on blind trust. To question things is a sign that one is not very devoted to ones religion. I must say something for those few Nuns that taught at the school. The Nuns never forced their religious believes on their students and as a result there were students of other religions attending that school.
Jesus taught in parables. He taught in such a manner that all that heard him could understand. Is the bible also not written in this fashion?
A parable is like a riddle written as a story that compares two things one of which you understand and the other you're trying to understand.
The Bible has plenty of parables, mysteries and riddles waiting for you to discover in the way that you learn best.
When the disciples asked Jesus why did He talk to the people in parables this is what He said:
Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Some people believe this means only the chosen can understand the mysteries of God.
I have read that science is thought by some that it is a religion. There is no blind worshipping in science just a life time didication to find out why and how. Many break throughs in science has saved many lives.
Francis Collins is the director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH). In a 2007 book about the intersection between science and faith, Collins described how he converted from atheism to Christianity and attempts to argue that the idea of a Christian God is compatible with Darwin's theory of evolution.
"I have found there is a wonderful harmony in the complementary truths of science and faith. The God of the Bible is also also the God of the genome. God can be found in the cathedral or in the laboratory. By investigating God's majestic and awesome creation, science can actually be a means of worship.
If people are so accepting why are there so many different religions out there. The bible is open to many different interpretation and if people did not like how religion was taught they just changed over to another religion. Just like to day if we not happy with our cellular provide we can move to another and even keep the same cell phone number. Move over to a new religion and still keep the same God. The thing is we accept things as factual only if it suits us and confirms what we think its right but if it should challenge our believes we bail out and find something else that supports our believes.
The question that I have asked and nobody can answer. What religion did God follow? God did not follow or create a religion. God created man and man made religion. In fact God hated religion.
Isaac 1:13 It's useless to bring your offerings. I am disgusted with the smell of the incense you burn. I cannot stand your New Moon Festivals, your Sabbaths, and your religious gatherings; they are all corrupted by your sins.
In the story of Adam and Eve, it was a snake that intised Eve to eat the apple from the tree of knowledge. Man already not taking responsibility for his own actions? This part of the bible teaches us how sin first originated. What is so bad in eating the apple? It was a direct command from God not to eat the apple.
Another verse in the bible which was taken very literally and therefore does not fit with evolution.
Genesis 2:22 Then the LORD God made the rib he had taken from the man into a woman and brought her to the man.
Extracts taking from this site
http://discovermagazine.com/1995/sep/darwinsrib561
I challenge them; tell me how a human female skeleton differs anatomically from a male.
The male and female skeletons I display are exemplary in their difference, and since most students should be able to guess what that difference is if they don’t already know, I usually feel confident that the final answer is a giveaway. I say usually because seven years ago, the first time I taught the course, I got a surprising answer that still crops up with
alarming regularity. Five minutes into the lab period, a young woman announced that she could answer the question without even examining the human skeletons.
I waited silently for her to explain that the female pelvis is shaped slightly differently from the male’s, with a larger opening for childbearing. That part was the giveaway. The real purpose of the exercise was to make her prove her conjecture with measurements--to translate the theory to practice. I also wanted her to explain why this sexual dimorphism--that is, this sexually determined physical difference--is not nearly so pronounced in nonhuman primates, such as chimpanzees.
She spoke: Males have one fewer pair of ribs than females.
I was totally unprepared for her answer. My mandible dropped. After a moment’s reflection, I realized she must be referring to the biblical story in which God creates Eve from one of Adam’s ribs. My student was someone who believed in the literal truth of the Bible, and it was her religious belief, not her previous knowledge of human anatomy, that made her so sure of her answer. This was going to be a challenge.
Nobody knows for sure how many ribs that God created Adam with. It is a know fact that ribs comes in pairs. That a normal human is born with 12 sets of ribs but humans have been born with an extra pair of ribs or even born with less ribs. Is this to be taken as another parable. Told in such a way that it was easy to understand? With discoveries made by scientist humans have been around much longer than the 6 thousand years, according to the bible.
Scientist have not yet proven the exsistance of God and at the same time they have not proven that God did not exsist. 51% of scientist do believe in God which is more than the rest of the population all over the world. More people are not believing in God these days.
The age of God
In fact, the Bible is clear that God has always existed. There has never been a time when He didn’t exist and there will never be a time when He stops existing. “Before the mountains were brought forth…Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God,” the psalmist wrote (Psalm 90:2).
Are the conflicts due to the fact that man gets so comfortable with how they were taught to think, so when new discoveries are found by scientist it shakes the foundation of everything that they were taught. Is this not a condratiction in the believe that with God all things are possible?
Mathew 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
I went to a Catholic school for most of my schooling and religion is based on blind trust. To question things is a sign that one is not very devoted to ones religion. I must say something for those few Nuns that taught at the school. The Nuns never forced their religious believes on their students and as a result there were students of other religions attending that school.
Jesus taught in parables. He taught in such a manner that all that heard him could understand. Is the bible also not written in this fashion?
A parable is like a riddle written as a story that compares two things one of which you understand and the other you're trying to understand.
The Bible has plenty of parables, mysteries and riddles waiting for you to discover in the way that you learn best.
When the disciples asked Jesus why did He talk to the people in parables this is what He said:
Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Some people believe this means only the chosen can understand the mysteries of God.
I have read that science is thought by some that it is a religion. There is no blind worshipping in science just a life time didication to find out why and how. Many break throughs in science has saved many lives.
Francis Collins is the director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH). In a 2007 book about the intersection between science and faith, Collins described how he converted from atheism to Christianity and attempts to argue that the idea of a Christian God is compatible with Darwin's theory of evolution.
"I have found there is a wonderful harmony in the complementary truths of science and faith. The God of the Bible is also also the God of the genome. God can be found in the cathedral or in the laboratory. By investigating God's majestic and awesome creation, science can actually be a means of worship.
If people are so accepting why are there so many different religions out there. The bible is open to many different interpretation and if people did not like how religion was taught they just changed over to another religion. Just like to day if we not happy with our cellular provide we can move to another and even keep the same cell phone number. Move over to a new religion and still keep the same God. The thing is we accept things as factual only if it suits us and confirms what we think its right but if it should challenge our believes we bail out and find something else that supports our believes.
The question that I have asked and nobody can answer. What religion did God follow? God did not follow or create a religion. God created man and man made religion. In fact God hated religion.
Isaac 1:13 It's useless to bring your offerings. I am disgusted with the smell of the incense you burn. I cannot stand your New Moon Festivals, your Sabbaths, and your religious gatherings; they are all corrupted by your sins.
In the story of Adam and Eve, it was a snake that intised Eve to eat the apple from the tree of knowledge. Man already not taking responsibility for his own actions? This part of the bible teaches us how sin first originated. What is so bad in eating the apple? It was a direct command from God not to eat the apple.
Another verse in the bible which was taken very literally and therefore does not fit with evolution.
Genesis 2:22 Then the LORD God made the rib he had taken from the man into a woman and brought her to the man.
Extracts taking from this site
http://discovermagazine.com/1995/sep/darwinsrib561
I challenge them; tell me how a human female skeleton differs anatomically from a male.
The male and female skeletons I display are exemplary in their difference, and since most students should be able to guess what that difference is if they don’t already know, I usually feel confident that the final answer is a giveaway. I say usually because seven years ago, the first time I taught the course, I got a surprising answer that still crops up with
alarming regularity. Five minutes into the lab period, a young woman announced that she could answer the question without even examining the human skeletons.
I waited silently for her to explain that the female pelvis is shaped slightly differently from the male’s, with a larger opening for childbearing. That part was the giveaway. The real purpose of the exercise was to make her prove her conjecture with measurements--to translate the theory to practice. I also wanted her to explain why this sexual dimorphism--that is, this sexually determined physical difference--is not nearly so pronounced in nonhuman primates, such as chimpanzees.
She spoke: Males have one fewer pair of ribs than females.
I was totally unprepared for her answer. My mandible dropped. After a moment’s reflection, I realized she must be referring to the biblical story in which God creates Eve from one of Adam’s ribs. My student was someone who believed in the literal truth of the Bible, and it was her religious belief, not her previous knowledge of human anatomy, that made her so sure of her answer. This was going to be a challenge.
Nobody knows for sure how many ribs that God created Adam with. It is a know fact that ribs comes in pairs. That a normal human is born with 12 sets of ribs but humans have been born with an extra pair of ribs or even born with less ribs. Is this to be taken as another parable. Told in such a way that it was easy to understand? With discoveries made by scientist humans have been around much longer than the 6 thousand years, according to the bible.
Scientist have not yet proven the exsistance of God and at the same time they have not proven that God did not exsist. 51% of scientist do believe in God which is more than the rest of the population all over the world. More people are not believing in God these days.
The age of God
In fact, the Bible is clear that God has always existed. There has never been a time when He didn’t exist and there will never be a time when He stops existing. “Before the mountains were brought forth…Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God,” the psalmist wrote (Psalm 90:2).
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